hot_mess_express ([personal profile] hot_mess_express) wrote in [community profile] auroraexpress2020-04-11 07:58 pm

The Thirtieth Trial

Who: Trial players
When: Day 63, morning
Where: Trial zone

[The trial zone doesn't exactly appear to be inthe best shape. It's the ruins of an old building, something once grand, perhaps a castle, with a strange statue of sorts with six spheres leading to a large seventh on a pedestal. It's possible t see a forest beyond the walls, though find a way out to that seems impossible, and plants have overgrown almost everything.]

[On the statue's pedestal is an inscription:
Three tribes that brought a storm,
Winter brought them to task.
Eventually things would become warm,
What in return did springtime ask?
]

[Not so far beyond it appears to be stairs leading down into the earth. And to the side of that is a throne.]

[And on the throne is....someone new in Senna colors? Though perhaps the hair is enough of a give away. Though those with a keen eye may yet notice she's still wearing her geode still, with the distinctive cutie mark still on it.]

[She's lounged across the throne, legs kicked over one side, elbow resting on the other, head in hand.]

I'm bored. [And she offers a grin that has a dangerous glint to it.]

How about we play a game?
beeknighted: (Can anyone work on the Krelman?)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Then let's examine it.

What was your goal?
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
You don't really care what my goal was.
beeknighted: (What's the difference?)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
You don't know me and I don't know you.

But I don't believe you'd be pondering this hard if it was all just boredom like you said at the start. So what was it?
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
You hate being seen as a project and terrified that you are seen as being lacking, you can't see someone suffer andd o nothing, and you can have a very strong temper.
beeknighted: (and a part of the Hexagon Group.)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
[Raises an eyebrow but keeping any further reactions Locked Up]

Those are certainly traits that are not the whole of me and not answering my question.
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
Of course they're not the whole of you, but often when people say 'you don't know me,' it's a tactic to make the person THINK their judgement call is wrong when it's not, and without having to say 'you're wrong,' because then it's a lie.
beeknighted: (Don't waste it on a squirrel.)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh? Then I'll say bluntly that you're wrong if you think I don't care what your goal was. I want to know.
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well well isn't that quiant)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Then why do you care?
beeknighted: (because you'll stay in the job you pick)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
There are several reasons, but you keep deflecting my questions, so could you please answer before asking one of your own?
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
Nah.

So far the only reason people have cared is so they know what they're yelling about or because they think I need to be saved somehow.
beeknighted: (That's why we don't need vacations.)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
Well, what did you expect? You made everyone real mad.

You do sound like you've lost some parts of yourself, but I doubt I can save you from anything. I'm just trying to understand.
daydreamshimmer: (demon: ooooh shiny)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
It is about what I expected. It's already a bore, but I accepted it. Keeping it simple means they get tired of yelling sooner, so. [Shrugs.]

Why?
beeknighted: (Bye!)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
You're really not going to answer me huh...

I already acknowledged I don't know you well, but running a game like this isn't anything I expected of you. It's quite opposite of everything you said you wanted before. Your new style is counter to what I thought you wanted too, you said you hated when you kept being forced into new bodies and this is the least pony-like one I've seen yet. When such a drastic change happens, isn't it natural to be curious why?

Plus I can't see any real point to this game that couldn't have been accomplished in easier ways, so I want to see what the reason for hurting everyone was. If you haven't properly examined what you want, it sounds like you just threw all this at us for the hell of it. But surely I can give you more credit than that? I want to know what you learned from your experiment.
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Because this body doesn't seal away my magic. My human one does. I still have everything that is mine in this body, and with time, I'll figure out how to get my hooves back because this one already has power in the vein I need and I won't have to rely on the Spark store. It's acceptable enough for the time being. At least it has the decency to have a tail.

And there wasn't any easier ways. Easier ways mean easier time to misrepresent the data I was looking for. No consequences means people are free to lie to each other and themselves.
Edited 2020-04-23 03:15 (UTC)
beeknighted: (Yellow black. Yellow black. Yellow black)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
[...Okay tackling one part of that at a time]

'No consequences means people are free to lie to each other and themselves' is a theory. Without further tests and control groups to back it up with further data, it remains a biased and unproven statement. Your experiences are not universal and this study is afflicted by observation, selection, interviewer and confirmation bias. Your sample size is small and not representative of the total population.

You haven't presented a hypothesis. You haven't established how your methods will help you prove that hypothesis. You haven't explained how you'll measure the values for each of your variables. You haven't undergone proper peer review. You haven't fully analysed the results and drawn your conclusion and are actively refusing to present or debate any of your ideas.

If you don't show your working for any of those things I can't understand your study and it can't be considered proper scientific evidence. Have you recorded your results anywhere? Where was the value of this study?
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
The sample size is a representation of total population present. Which will mean needing a retest in a wider population in the future, but it is a proper sample for this cultural setting.

People knowing before hand would not have helped the results, only encouraged a performative action, and that is all discussion will lead to. A performative action, because it always has in the past and it's happened over and over with different people. Peer review is a later stage. I am in the state of analyzing the data because I have to deal with the upset before I can fully focus on that task.

I will be writing everything down later, I have excellent memorization skills, and a notebook just means people trying to destroy it in anger and it's not hard to destroy a book. And I find value in the study.

You made an awful lot of assumptions based on zero data.
beeknighted: (Hang on a second.)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
I guess we have different ideas of what a representative population is then because only analysing people on this train even if you managed to get everyone to show up makes it an ethnocentric study which comes with it's own problems.

And having zero data is exactly my point? I'm not talking about people knowing beforehand because that's introducing another type of bias entirely, I'm saying that right here and now, you aren't presenting your research or your findings, you won't talk to me, you won't clear up any misunderstandings or clarify anything, so of course I have zero data. You aren't giving me the data I'm asking about, so you have given me no evidence. This is what I'm seeing and what I want you to discuss with me or it continues to have no real merit.

Also, if you haven't recorded your results and are going on just memorization that's introducing recall bias into the conclusion itself.
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-23 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
And with the unique make up of the train also presents another way to observe the data. I believe there's merit in seeing the answer for this cultural setting.

You're severely underestimating my memorization skills, they're probably the only reason it took people two and a half years to figure out I was a pony and had literally never heard of several school subjects before then. The beats are already written up here, they just need to be put to paper. Then conclusions after. Thus the delay of analysis. I want it on paper before I do too much of that. Which is another part of why talking to people about it now has no merit. It's only likely to muddle things up.

And zero data brings the assumption I don't know what I'm doing, I've working with zero data, and there's no method to the chaos. Which just says you're already assuming the worst of me and are more ready to fight than really talk.

If you're actually curious, then you can ask again when I've done my own proper analysis.
beeknighted: (You got lint on your fuzz.)

[personal profile] beeknighted 2020-04-23 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
If I wanted to fight with you then I could have come over screaming. Though I am frustrated that I'm genuinely trying to understand and you're consistently shutting me down. If you give me zero data, then yes, it seems like just chaos for the sake of it, I told you I wanted to give you more credit than that and you're the one refusing to share any data. You're shutting down any trust I could place in you.

I am indeed underestimating your memorisation skills because all I have is your word for it and your word is not scientific evidence either. Your memory is still subject to recall bias no matter how great you say it is. Where's the objective evidence that it's a reliable measuring tool? You still haven't explained how you're measuring the values of your variables, if you haven't recorded any of that are you going to remember each and every one for every experiment you did? If you tried to publish any of these results to further scientific study then your research would be scrutinised very heavily. So even if I asked you for your analysis later, you've created reasonable doubt in any conclusions you could draw.

Follow-up interviews post experimentation are a valid scientific method and not 'muddling things up', you're still not taking anyone else's view into account which means you're ignoring points of data that don't fit your view.

I also think you have a problem with assuming any form of criticism is a direct attack on you.
daydreamshimmer: (demon: well that's dull)

[personal profile] daydreamshimmer 2020-04-30 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
I don't need your trust. [Said flatly.]

As for an attack, you wouldn't go on a whole speech on how I did everything wrong without fully knowing what I did. You made a lot of negative assumptions which is most likely because you're mad, but it doesn't change the fact you have made conclusions without any data while using that as a basis to lecture me.

If you want to do a scientific experiment on my memorization skills, then I'll gladly do them with you, I assure you, they are perfectly accurate.

Such as 'Mao enters. Mao scans room for solution. Various solutions offered, details to be written down but tiresome right now. Mao lays on ground and hooks foot on scissor gate. Mao looks to the ceiling for solution. Mao suggests using his coat for a few more inches.' Etc, etc, I could go on.

Also where would I even publish this?

And the values I'm measuring aren't exactly a thing that can be measured in liter and wattage. Fact is, I don't really need to 'ask' for a view. Words can easily be lies, but what I was monitoring is very hard to fake, especially when people aren't aware that I could. An interview does nothing at this stage. Now once the data is down, then talking with someone whose impartial has merit, but that's a later stage.